We sat down with our amigo y hermano, fellow pastor and reconciler, prophet and author Pastor David Swanson who recently published “Rediscipling the White Church.” He not only pastors a multiracial church in Chicago, but we share the same spiritual mentor and mother, Dr. Brenda Salter McNeil, in the work of reconciliation.

We spoke with radical candor about planting multiracial churches during racial unrest and creative models of leadership. Why do we still believe in the multiracial church? How have diverse churches NOT lived up to visions of reconciliation and justice? How did our own personal journeys intersect for this current church plant?

We hope you’re both challenged and encouraged by this interview and may it expand your Kingdom imagination for the church.